Asheron..... D'OH!!!!!!.... OK..... that was pretty well done!
Next time get your own stinkin' analogy!
gordon d
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by gordon d inwhich child is wiser?
while starting a hunt for easter eggs one child runs to a big tree and finds nothing then that childs brother says, go look under that rock i promise youll find one there!
the child throws down their basket and says, i give up!
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--- A Question for ALL Atheistic ex-Dubs----
by gordon d inwhich child is wiser?
while starting a hunt for easter eggs one child runs to a big tree and finds nothing then that childs brother says, go look under that rock i promise youll find one there!
the child throws down their basket and says, i give up!
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gordon d
Scully,
C'mon.....You know better than that!!!!!!!
If you're gonna site Job for a point... you gotta to take it all as valid..... what are you some kinda' JW????
JOB 19:25,26
25 I know that my Redeemer lives,
and that in the end he will stand upon the earth.26 And after my skin has been destroyed,
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--- A Question for ALL Atheistic ex-Dubs----
by gordon d inwhich child is wiser?
while starting a hunt for easter eggs one child runs to a big tree and finds nothing then that childs brother says, go look under that rock i promise youll find one there!
the child throws down their basket and says, i give up!
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gordon d
Hi Scully.
It's called "freedom".
Freedom from what? Pain, Death, Worry, Loneliness... or just control?
If one's life is lived fully, a second chance shouldn't be necessary!
I couldn't agree more.
Riiiiight.... there are even kids wanting to shove their eggs down the throats of kids who don't want any ... or perhaps are allergic to them!
Then does that mean that ALL kids are bad?
If it works for you, gordon, then that's fantastic. I'm honestly happy for you. Atheism / Secular Humanism works for me and I'm happier than I ever was as a "believer". Why do you feel the need to berate and diminish that and insinuate that it is because of a flaw in me, or in my searching methodology, rather than just accept that my belief system (or lack thereof) is just as valid and personal as yours? Your intent may not have been to offend, but it does come across as offensive, just as you would be offended if I berated your beliefs as "delusional" and "not based on reality", for example.
If that is what I conveyed... I'm truly sorry! Happy people are a gift to themselves and everyone else.... My comment was intended to impress humility on those who felt it necessary to squelch the dreams of anyone else who has not found "their" happiness I think that those people are bullies.... wether they use their position to tell lies and be controling (Most, perhaps ALL Religions) or if they say that others are fools for tryng to find something that they could not. It's still coercion and it welcomes debate on this forum.
My future holds whatever I want it to have. I hope to live a good life, raise a good family, have good friends, help people in whatever ways I can, and have people who will remember those things about me when I'm gone. I do not aspire to heavenly afterlife or any other kind of afterlife - the very thought of it just doesn't appeal to me. Like I said before, if I do it right, one lifetime will be sufficient for me.
I hope that you get everything that you'd like from this life... I don't know you other than from your posts and based solely on that, I think you are exceptional, intelligent, and (with other posters) Very Charming. Obviously we have different aspirations and beliefs.... If I ever grow tired or disillusioned with mine, I'll be looking for some of your input on the peace that you've discovered.... If you ever grow tired or dissillusioned with yours, I hope you'll come to me!
P.S. I'm not trying to end this discussion with the above statement.... I think it's Great!
Hi AOXA,
I do not think that way and do not wish to change my ways of thinking and reasoning for someone elses satisfaction and i don't go preaching my atheist ways to other people so i am not dragging anyone down with me
Sorry for the offense..... with what you said above, it was never directed at you!
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--- A Question for ALL Atheistic ex-Dubs----
by gordon d inwhich child is wiser?
while starting a hunt for easter eggs one child runs to a big tree and finds nothing then that childs brother says, go look under that rock i promise youll find one there!
the child throws down their basket and says, i give up!
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gordon d
Yikes!!! Too...Many.... Words.... Too...Many... Words!
OK.. here goes!
Scully... Please tell me... What does an athiest look forward too after this 70 years of "Bliss" are over?
Vomit... Have you found any guarantees (apart from death and taxes) anywhere in the world?.. would you ever play a game if you were'nt sure that you would win?
Gumby....Tell me what place to look in that I haven't already looked in if you don't mind.
Perhaps the best place is to ask someone who has "truly" found what you seek... they should be pretty easy to spot, this time! I've "claim" to have found lot's of eggs... put me to whatever test you want... if I'm mistaken, I would sincerely like to know too!
............how do you suppose he'd explain natures bad side?
Is there anything beautiful in all of the universe that appears without some time, heat, pressure, discomfort, or explosive transformation?
a creator exist/existed to make the things I see. Is that what god is to you
Absolutely not..... I don't think that I could ever fully grasp what God is. I think that we can see a small part of his nature in the things that he created that have not been cursed by man, sin, or his intentional neglect... As awful as much of this world is, aren't there still some things that are stunning beyond description? The most moving of these is the small bit of his spirit that can dwell inside of you. I don't know many people that have been foryunate enough to experience this but the little bit that I have experienced is so superlative to anything else!!!
If your answer is from the bible, then how do those without one know god as well as you do?
These are all philosophical questions....The Bible is not EVEN necessary for this debate.
Vomit.... If it surpasses all understanding, how can it be understood?
It doesn't Have to be understood, just experienced.... Does knowing what compunds and elements make up a strawberry make it taste any better?
....that's where the witnesses missed the mark.... It's a FREE and Un-Deserved Gift! NOT the "Knowledge That Leads to Eternal Life"
Asheron....
"The religion of one age is the
literary entertainment of the next "
"The depths of the love of God, for those that love him, transcends all time"
....Me
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--- A Question for ALL Atheistic ex-Dubs----
by gordon d inwhich child is wiser?
while starting a hunt for easter eggs one child runs to a big tree and finds nothing then that childs brother says, go look under that rock i promise youll find one there!
the child throws down their basket and says, i give up!
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Hey Scully,
Have you found the "Joy that surpasses all understanding" yet? If so, please share your "hope" with us.
As far as the time limit for the hunt.... Typically it's 70 years but if you don't get a fair oportunity, there is a second chance round.
As far as the dejected kid without any eggs.... Thank goodness there are some kids willing to share theirs!
++++If "god" exists, he wouldn't make it so difficult to find him for someone who was sincerely searching for him++++
Is this based upon human standards of difficult or Gods?
I hear everything that you're saying Scully... there was a time that I would have Totally shared your perspective. My intent was not to be offensive. It was to say that I found something that is better, for me... something wonderful! I would love to share that with everyone but won't force it upon anyone.... I don't have THAT right any moreso than certain atheist have to condemn those that are looking for God.
It seems that more consideration is given to the people that have found peace though any other lifestyle than Christianity... It seems that that may be a latent effect of being misled by someone representing a false form of Christianity.... That's truly sad! But for those that have placed their hope any other form of spirituality, or lifestyle.... what hope does your future hold for you? -
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Agnostic/Atheist/Religion
by Free ini feel that since i have lost all faith in the society, i feel myself drifting further and further into more agnosticism / atheistic thinking.i am finding it harder every day to believe in a god or holy scripture.
i actually feel more at peace now not feeling like someone is watching me.
religion now rings a wicked song in my head that sings of control, power, money, greed, and endless seas of falsehood.
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Coincidentally I posted a new thread at he same time.... here's that opening post.
P.S. I was agnostic for a long time after my JW upbringing... Decided to focus ALL energy towards getting a Doctorate in Psychology and MS in Sociology.... I Found NO answers there. Perhaps taking the time to reading a fellow atheist (C.S. Lewis') book "Mere Christianity" will help. I just mailed a copy to Mulan and would be more than happy to spend the money on another one, if you are really interested in answers.
The other thread:
Which child is wiser?
While starting a hunt for Easter eggs… one child runs to a big tree and finds nothing… then that child’s brother says, “Go look under that rock… I promise you’ll find one there!” Again, Nothing! The child throws down their basket and says, “I give up! I can’t find one…. I don’t even think there are any Easter Eggs!! You guys are wasting your time!!”
Another child has the same experience but just when he was about to give up, noticed that some of the other kids were smiling with baskets full of eggs! He starts searching again and actually finds some!
The WTS has told all of us lies and sent us looking for God in the wrong places…. Most of us agree that the WTS was not the ‘Truth”… Why then do we still look for the God that they told us about? Why are we so willing to give up when the God of their creation turns out Not to be there?
Look around you, All of creation screams it…. Your very eyes and ears take it in. Are you going to let these liars continue to fool you? Or is the reason for not believing in God that he cannot exist because his actions are not reasonable or loving to your personal standard of amazing wisdom and advanced intellect?
If you haven’t found God, maybe it’s because you haven’t looked in the right places, looked hard enough, or looked long enough. Please don’t give up! When you do finally discover the real Him, It’ll be worth everything that you ever did to find him.
And what the Heck? Even if you never can find him and you spent a fraction of your 70-or-so pitiful years, searching in vain, for hope on this Godless rock….. what difference does it make???? Get busy living or get busy dying… but please, don’t pull anyone else down into your hopelessness with you! -
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--- A Question for ALL Atheistic ex-Dubs----
by gordon d inwhich child is wiser?
while starting a hunt for easter eggs one child runs to a big tree and finds nothing then that childs brother says, go look under that rock i promise youll find one there!
the child throws down their basket and says, i give up!
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Which child is wiser?
While starting a hunt for Easter eggs… one child runs to a big tree and finds nothing… then that child’s brother says, “Go look under that rock… I promise you’ll find one there!” Again, Nothing! The child throws down their basket and says, “I give up! I can’t find one…. I don’t even think there are any Easter Eggs!! You guys are wasting your time!!”
Another child has the same experience but just when he was about to give up, noticed that some of the other kids were smiling with baskets full of eggs! He starts searching again and actually finds some!
The WTS has told all of us lies and sent us looking for God in the wrong places…. Most of us agree that the WTS was not the ‘Truth”… Why then do we still look for the God that they told us about? Why are we so willing to give up when the God of their creation turns out Not to be there?
Look around you, All of creation screams it…. Your very eyes and ears take it in. Are you going to let these liars continue to fool you? Or is the reason for not believing in God that he cannot exist because his actions are not reasonable or loving to your personal standard of amazing wisdom and advanced intellect?
If you haven’t found God, maybe it’s because you haven’t looked in the right places, looked hard enough, or looked long enough. Please don’t give up! When you do finally discover the real Him, It’ll be worth everything that you ever did to find him.
And what the Heck? Even if you never can find him and you spent a fraction of your 70-or-so pitiful years, searching in vain, for hope on this Godless rock….. what difference does it make???? Get busy living or get busy dying… but please, don’t pull anyone else down into your hopelessness with you! -
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Does God communicate with you?
by Fisherman ina bible verse says " ..the one planting the ear can he not listen?
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gordon d
There is an important difference in human's ability to reason and in their ability to develop an internal morality. Many creatures (with no need for an understanding of right and wrong) can perform and even practice some basic principles of cause and effect, logic, an even mathmatics. Two of the things that seperates us is our moral conscience and our desire to understand our "place" in the universe. Although science has a variety of terms to describe the absense of these traits in psychopaths, sociopaths, etc....My point is that, to the best of my knowledge, no one has ever developed even the most base of reasons for us to have developed this mental ability. This does not automatically say that since we don't know how we "got this way"... some entity must have put it in us... but that IS the best explanation that I've heard yet!
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What will your God do to Jehovah's Witnesses?
by BCZAR2ME inon judgement day--what will be the fate of jehovah's witnesses?.
bczar.
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Contrary to the simplistic and prejudicial God that the WTS Society has created... The God that I know has the ability to show unfathomable love to ANYONE that truly loves Him. For those that never had a real chance to learn about his "free Gift".... isn't there supposed to be a resurrection of the righteous AND the unrighteous? AND>>> Look at how the Bible defines righteousness?????
I think any answer other than this... (e.i. applying human qualification towards other men) is no different that the practice taken by the WTS and by Satan's with his first charge! -
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Questions for believers in God
by KW13 inwhat god do 'we' believe in?
i am a believer at the moment i think.... .
firstly we are directed away from questioning just how god came into existance - why?
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Hey KW13.... Do You Have Children????
Did you ever have to take some action that broke your heart and may have seemed cruel to them. But it was an action that you knew would help them grow, and become better children.
For some of your "Why's" Perhaps there is some small insight into the Master plan (of a being whose intelligence we cannot EVEN imagine) found in this one simple scripture: 1 Peter 1:20